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Advanced Forehand Topspin (Loop) | Table Tennis | PingSkills

August 31, 2019


Hi, I’m Alois Rosario from PingSkills. Today
we’re going to talk to you about the advanced forehand topspin. In our lesson on the forehand topspin we’ve
already shown you the start and finish positions. These are still crucial when you’re trying
to play an advanced forehand topspin. So let’s first focus on the legs. To generate
more speed or have the potential to generate more speed we need to have our legs really
bent and our feet wide. The second important part is the rotation
of your trunk. This will start to increase the potential of the speed of our racket.
So on our backswing we’re rotating back, and on our follow through we’re rotating forward. There’s a transfer of your weight from your
back leg to your front leg but your legs aren’t moving during the stroke. Your stroke at the
start puts your weight on your back leg and as you rotate through then your weight goes
onto your front leg. The other thing you can start to do is just
vary the finish position of your racket. When we’re doing the basic forehand topspin we’re
finishing right up here near your eyebrow. As you start to advance your stroke and perhaps
try and hit the ball a little bit faster, you can get the bat finishing more forward.
The important thing though is that you’re still finishing up nice and high and not swinging
down too low. The other important part is where your bat
finishes. It’s important that the bat doesn’t finish past the centre line of your body.
So here’s the centre line, I don’t want the bat going anywhere past that line so this
is a good position. Now it can be up here right near my eyebrow or it can be more forward
but wherever it is it’s not crossing that centre line of my body. If you do go across
that centre line you’re starting to compromise your coordination and your recovery. If you do want a bigger stroke you can twist
your body through and as you can see now the bat still hasn’t gone past the centre line
of my body so I’m still coordinated, I’m still balanced and ready to recover for the next
ball. The other aspect of a more advanced forehand
is that their not going to be playing the ball straight to you all the time so now we
need to incorporate some movement. Thinking about what you can see on our basic footwork
lessons, we move across the table. Now the important part then though is to make sure
that you’re stopped and ready and balanced to make that advanced forehand. So if we’re
in this position, the next ball is coming over to the middle, what I need to do is make
sure I move across, get a nice balanced position, and then start to engage my legs, my twisting,
and my arm, to execute a really effective forehand topspin. To advance your forehand topspin you can use
your wrist. Now on the basic forehand topspin we keep the wrist fairly firm and move your
arm through in this sort of action. What you can do now is just relax the wrist.
On the backswing it will flow backwards, and then on the follow through it will flow forward.
You’re just adding a little bit of extra movement of your racket which will increase the racket
head speed which will increase the speed and the spin of the ball. The next thing we are going to think about
is the angle of our racket. Do you have your angle at 90 degrees to the floor? 80, 70,
60, 45? It becomes really complicated if you start to worry about the small degrees of
your racket. A more important thing to think about is the result of what’s happening with
the ball. If the ball is going to far it means you need to close your angle over a little
bit. If it’s going into the net you can open your angle. Some other principles to think
about are, if your bat is moving slowly with a very closed face the ball will drop off
but if you start to get a much faster swing with your bat then the ball is going to grip
the rubber and be projected forward. So there are a lot of little things to think about.
That’s why it’s important that you don’t make it too complicated. Have a look at where the
ball is going and then make some minor adjustments each time. That’s the way to get a really
good advanced forehand topspin.

100 Comments

  • Reply Dinesh Awtaney July 8, 2016 at 5:09 am

    Thanks coach…practically I see good results in my game after this video !

  • Reply 胡mk July 12, 2016 at 8:59 am

    Is new ?

  • Reply Facundo Silva July 15, 2016 at 12:24 am

    Hi, do you guys have a video or tip for the forehand topspin hook and forehand topsping fade? In case you call it in another way it's a topspin with some sidespin to place it wide in the table.

  • Reply divyansh agarwal July 27, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    My forehand topspin sometimes goes out of the table…can u help me ???

  • Reply divyansh agarwal July 28, 2016 at 12:29 am

    thanks a lot😃

  • Reply Darwinian Bonobo July 31, 2016 at 7:03 am

    Hey Alois I'm a J-pen player and I'm wondering when to block and when to forehand topspin. I know Ryu Seung Min used (well he's a fat middle aged man now so he can't) his lighting fast footwork across the table to forehand topspin but he also blocked as well. How did he make the decision to forehand topspin or to block? How did would he come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to forehand topspin in certain situations?

  • Reply Chris Chin August 4, 2016 at 12:14 am

    Man I can really see the spin you guys are putting on the ball. Love the videos!

  • Reply testyakola August 12, 2016 at 6:19 am

    u guys are very into that finishing position thing but W the f does that matter lol it's the contact of the ball that's important isn't it not where the racket ends up

  • Reply The trick shot Bro's August 21, 2016 at 8:27 am

    Love all the videos….:):X:P:D

  • Reply JJfilms August 29, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    You really deserve more subscribers

  • Reply Alex Pull September 1, 2016 at 7:03 am

    oh man, love your music choice 🙂

  • Reply Albert Kozakevych September 15, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    I have a Problem my topspien don't have much spin

  • Reply Albert Kozakevych September 15, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    can somebody help me

  • Reply Albert Kozakevych September 19, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    my tospien goes Mostly about the plate and don't have much spin and i have got a good bat with much grip i don't know why that so is

  • Reply Luciano Esposito September 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    what about the head of the bat , before contact, is going to point the floor , or is parallel to the floor ? thank you in advance

  • Reply Albert Kozakevych September 20, 2016 at 11:50 am

    I have a question how much ttr do you have

  • Reply Sandhya Pai September 27, 2016 at 7:24 am

    How hard do you need to rub the ball or glide the ball Alex???

  • Reply Kunga Choedze October 1, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    I was a penhold gripper once and that time I wasn't able to strike topspin so I changed my grip to shake hand and now I can do many shots and that's why I want to thank you with my whole heart.

  • Reply Marco Bucci October 2, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    c'è bisogno della traduzione in italiano

  • Reply Bharadwaj Ananthkumar October 3, 2016 at 3:58 pm

    Alois I notice that your racket moves a bit past the centre line. The same happens with me. Is that okay?

  • Reply Bharadwaj Ananthkumar October 3, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Is there any website of yours where I could upload videos and you would help me configure the most suitable racket for me?

  • Reply Doktor Kumpel October 5, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    I noticed that Jeff has a rather small snap of the forearm during his topspin. The angle between the forearm and the upper arm is almost the same before and after the stroke. He compensates for the potential lack of power with a good body rotation but it might still be a thing to keep an eye on for further instructional videos.

  • Reply TableTennis Addict October 7, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDVuNI2zQ_A

  • Reply Monsterkosh October 8, 2016 at 2:15 am

    he's crossing his center line on the finish position…… just saying…. F- for him

  • Reply Bradley Quinn October 13, 2016 at 11:01 am

    Where is this guy from???

  • Reply Christian Adrian Aniceta October 24, 2016 at 4:54 am

    so I switch to forehand looping (c-pen)
    and my friends told me that I am terrible at top spin drills since my loop tends to have more side spin..
    They say that its good for actual game.. but its difficult to practice drills with me 🙁
    Do you have tips for me…

  • Reply Kavith Fernando November 26, 2016 at 9:58 am

    awesome can you tell us how to improve the rubber grip

  • Reply Arjun Nigam November 30, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    Hey Alois I have been trying to hit the forehand topspin but unfortunately it just goes way above the table. What do you think the problem might be?

  • Reply Jasongrayson December 8, 2016 at 3:03 am

    Can you guys make a video on countering very fast topspin with topspin of your own?

  • Reply Skilled Ghost3-CLASH OF CLANS December 12, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    Thnks very much ping skills.

  • Reply Caletoon December 14, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    hi i wanted to ask is there any relation with power for this stroke as i have a wide body built and went to gym
    i happen to bring more power than spin what to do for this i have tibhar genius rubber on my for hand
    can you help me

  • Reply Rezwan Sadat December 15, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    great video..thanks a ton

  • Reply JesusChristIsLord December 18, 2016 at 11:46 am

    It's really hard to understand how anyone can dislike this video, smh. I mean, how much better can this get? Good job guys 👍 God bless 🙏

  • Reply Scott Howard December 26, 2016 at 5:28 am

    That looks more like a loop drive. Not really a full loop. Still a lot of good tips. The coach I use is trying to get me to throw the ball up higher with more spin and a slower speed. Thanks for the vid.

  • Reply Jop Immanuel December 28, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    Mantap is very good

  • Reply Joel Xue January 22, 2017 at 3:03 am

    Really like the video. Got one question: where is the best contact point on the paddle for this type of forehand top spin? Thanks.

  • Reply Duane Capulla February 2, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    What is the best way to return a fast low ball top spin? Should I block or should I loop kill?

  • Reply Achim Siegert-wilcke March 9, 2017 at 10:03 am

    Hi PingSkills! Great material about topspin! My question: is there an optimal ratio of speed and topspin rotation to maximize the magnus effect, means to get the strongest curve? Thanks a lot for your answers or eventually another video! Br Achim

  • Reply Ramya Khandel March 18, 2017 at 10:23 am

    thank u so much it is really very useful to me, as being an up coming table tennis player; i had many doubts. after watching this video i got many ideas about playing a proper topspin and iam sure the way u teach is very comfort to learn . i hope this video is going to be very useful to many up coming table tennis players………………… good job keep going.

  • Reply Harsh Mane March 20, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Ping skills you are the best till now

  • Reply Saurabh Chopra March 23, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    These videos are the best thing over. i m learning alot

  • Reply Hafiz Umair Ali March 28, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    I've an issue with forehand.. I've just started playing table tennis a year ago…
    Whenever I try to make forehand smash, i kinda brush the ball for top spin which means i can't hit the ball flat.. That's why I lack speed in forehand smash which is definitely not good… I've tried to flatten the contact but most of the time it goes off table if I try to be more flatter..

  • Reply Guillermo A Echenagucia April 24, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    Se ve fantástico y didáctico, me gustaría oírlo en
    castellano

  • Reply Paul Raymond May 9, 2017 at 4:26 am

    Alios Rosario‘s spin is like Vildamir Samsonov.

  • Reply wiktor mucha May 14, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    pingskills what to do to not ping pong please help

  • Reply A Dog who wants 1000 Subscribers May 18, 2017 at 10:35 am

    I love this video

  • Reply A Dog who wants 1000 Subscribers May 18, 2017 at 10:35 am

    alois became more black

  • Reply A Dog who wants 1000 Subscribers May 18, 2017 at 10:35 am

    with more skills

  • Reply Adam Murtaza May 21, 2017 at 7:25 am

    I love your channel …. !!!! It helps me alot…. Thankyou for making these helpful videos….!! Keep it up..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • Reply Rafael Lava June 10, 2017 at 9:01 am

    are there any differences in doing this when using a tacky and a grippy rubber? I was using grippy rubbers for 3 years then i'm planning to change my rubber. Thank you for the reply.

  • Reply DyaVictor June 22, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Very cool advice about racket angle! I love this video 🙂

  • Reply Level 24 June 25, 2017 at 4:30 am

    awesome one helped me a lot 🙂

  • Reply DJツ INDIAN July 16, 2017 at 9:36 am

    hello alois sir, I am a boy of 11 years old and I want to know how can I make my topspin more powerful. please tell me

  • Reply Pasang Gelje Sherpa August 21, 2017 at 3:27 am

    It really works thanks ping skill

  • Reply BeAsT August 24, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    Do I need. To bend my wrist while doing top spin?

  • Reply Glacius September 16, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    I recently used my phone to make a video of my practice sessions and I was dissapoonted to see that my tennis roots are still showing in my forehand 😐. I don't drop that racket head quite low enough (waist height instead of knee height) and and I often times end up finishing well above my head when I hit with more power. The end result on the ball is great but I feel like I am doing something wrong here. Is this okay, or do I need to work on this some more? I really want my forehand to start looking like yours and Alois. My backhand looks absolutely fantastic though if I must say so myself.

  • Reply Lucas101 H September 21, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    Anybody else read "advanced foreheadspin"?

  • Reply XraynPR October 6, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    thanks for the great video, really appreciated

  • Reply Budi Hartono October 23, 2017 at 4:21 am

    The music enjoy and fun

  • Reply Nova November 11, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    My faviroute shot

  • Reply Real World Endo December 5, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    You said not to cross the midline in the forehand top spin but in every shot you hit you crossed it. Was that an ideal statement or a practical one as the hand crosses the nose in every forehand top spin I see in this video!

  • Reply mezanur rahman December 18, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    How improve low hight top spin practice.

  • Reply mezanur rahman December 19, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    After watching this video I m clear this,more thanks.

  • Reply Andy Zhao December 23, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    But doesn’t Jun Mizutani finish past the line though?

  • Reply Fire Shark December 28, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    does anyone know what this move is called? It's where you don't bring the bat up but you have it at an angle and you start fairly high. There is still a brushing motion but it is not going upwards, but forwards.

  • Reply Fire Shark December 28, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    Where should my contact be on the ball in my forehand topspin? Should it be shoulder width, in front of me, behind me, next to me, etc?

  • Reply Crossiant Studios January 11, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    I can't stop doing this stupid shot. I lose so many points. don't do topspin kids. it ruined my table tennis interest

  • Reply Eiji Muroya January 14, 2018 at 6:51 am

    That guy is definitely not using his legs…

  • Reply Ben Dock January 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    im a national under 13 champion and i want some verry complicated shots to do.

  • Reply PingSkills February 3, 2018 at 1:35 am

    I hope you enjoyed this lesson. For more advanced strokes tutorials visit our website: https://www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes

    Cheers,
    Jeff & Alois

  • Reply Ronin February 18, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    1:30 Anyone else hear that ? 😂

  • Reply SD 455 February 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    We should cross the centre line and hit with full swing

  • Reply big Mac March 1, 2018 at 4:55 am

    Great instruction.

  • Reply VaritesDelights March 5, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Name of the salsa song? 😀

  • Reply Kane Zephlyn March 16, 2018 at 11:15 am

    What bat are u using??

  • Reply theoneandonlyKJ May 6, 2018 at 2:35 am

    Why do you guys bend your arm instead of straightening it out for more bat speed? Just curious.

  • Reply Zazen forever May 25, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    So, Jeff obviously has a bent arm loop with his elbow bent at 90 degrees. Many others advocate a straight arm loop (Brett Clarke, for one). What are advantages/disadvantages of either? Its hard for me to get a lot of power with a bent arm loop. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks.

  • Reply Burhan Ayan June 25, 2018 at 10:03 pm

    I think wrist movement should be the last thing a player consider but it definitely makes ball trajectory higher according to horizontal movement of paddle. On the other hand it seems more professional 🙂

  • Reply Cheilith June 26, 2018 at 9:35 pm

    3:38 how come Jeff’s bat was finishing last his ‘Center line’? Is this just a rule of thumb?

  • Reply Mayank Gupta June 29, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    Can you please tell when does the return to a topspin goes into the net?

  • Reply Joao Fortes July 13, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    every now and then i come to pingskills videos to review my basics, and i ALWAYS learn or remember a lot of things

  • Reply TheRealBamboosler July 29, 2018 at 10:54 am

    Says to not let the bat cross your Center line, 10 seconds later, bat is passing his center line

  • Reply Ranjita Tyagi August 16, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    I won my school level tournament …….thankssssss

  • Reply Bright Life September 2, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    Is that true In holding racket grip using index and thumb and no pressure in 3rd-5ft finger they said you will get a Much more consistent and good touch? FH and BH performance?
    The hold pressure is thumb and index finger only.

  • Reply A'bdur Rehman Khan September 7, 2018 at 11:36 am

    My coach says to first learn topspin taking your hand from down below your knees and then shorten it…what if i directly hit the ball topspining from my knee level ? " Am a beginner"

  • Reply Roberto Costas October 12, 2018 at 1:54 pm

    The best teachers of table tennis in the internet.

  • Reply Roberto Costas October 12, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    I've seen trainers advising their players to move the bat leg forward while hitting de ball. I think it's unnecesary if you correctly transfer your body weight from leg to leg and that it compromises your balance and the recovery of the legs for the next stroke. What do you think about that?

  • Reply indra reddy Akkaluri October 28, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    ur trainee/demonstrator is crossing the central line

  • Reply Sughi Dev November 12, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    6:15 min the blue 👕 couch he is crossing the centre of the body while hitting the topspin ball which comes with a block

  • Reply Sughi Dev November 12, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    I like Tom Lodziak video’s best one 👍👍👍

  • Reply Kalim Sayyed November 28, 2018 at 11:55 am

    This type of videos are good to improve my virtual tables tennis game skills 😀 😀

  • Reply Timmy Az November 30, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    Great video , I coach my students using this video . Very much appreciated !

  • Reply Mayank Gupta January 6, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    I have got a faster racquet, palio expert2 and now i am having hard time playing powerful strokes. All i am able to do is block, or sometime play half hearted strokes. Can you suggest some ways i can adjust quickly. With my previous racquet, i was able to play so many shots, from different positions and now if i am not in position i always miss time it. Looks like margin of error is very less.

  • Reply humgaga April 15, 2019 at 5:01 am

    Thought you mentioned earlier the bat cannot go beyond center line. But i saw in the wrist section, it went over. Need more explanation on this.

  • Reply Vxneji April 17, 2019 at 12:09 am

    Love how they both going past their center line after telling us not to

  • Reply BHUTTO Bhutto April 20, 2019 at 6:31 am

    Fantastic techniques..

  • Reply BHUTTO Bhutto April 20, 2019 at 6:33 am

    Slow motion giving better understanding..

  • Reply BEN TSAI May 12, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    4:05 wrist movement to counter the spin of ball and make a loop shot

  • Reply Lily Ng June 5, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Pingskills I am using penhold but my topspin isn't improving even though I followed all this tips

  • Reply SUSHMA GUPTA July 11, 2019 at 8:20 am

    You told in tutorial that racket should not pass center of body to recover fast. But in the last few seconds of your video, it is passing in all the shots made.

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