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Appalachian State’s historic upset over Michigan deserves a deep rewind

October 20, 2019

(dramatic music) – You probably remember
what’s about to happen. We’re in Ann Arbor Michigan for week one of the 2007 season. The Wolverines are looking
for their second comeback of the game with a 37
yard field goal to win it against Appalachian State. The Mountaineers are on the
verge of a historic upset, but with just six seconds left it all comes down to one play. This moment is about to wipe out everything that got us to
this point and made it matter. So let’s rewind. With 109,000 plus
watching in the Big House Michigan didn’t expect
to be in this situation. Coming into the season they
were ranked number five in the AP and Coach’s
Poll and were expected to be in the national championship conversation come December. Jake Long, Chad Henne and Mike Heart all returned for their senior seasons, motivated by the fact that
they had yet to win a bowl game and hadn’t beat rival Ohio
State since their freshman year. They came close in a game
of the century matchup the year before, but the three point loss derailed their national title hopes. They finished 2006 11 and two, but Michigan lost nine
starters on a defense lead by Leon Hall and Lamarr Woodley that gave up less than 45
yards rushing per game. Four of those starters were drafted in the top two rounds of the NFL draft including another All
American Alan Branch. So if they were going to
live up to their potential then the offense would need
to do some heavy lifting. And on the opening drive
against Appalachian State they looked up to the challenge. Mike Heart had four carries for 46 yards and capped off the six play
drive with this touchdown. As advertised it looked to be a blowout. Vegas expected the game to be so one sided that it wasn’t given a line. And as Charissa Thompson noted. – When Michigan found
out they were playing Appalachian State, everyone’s
like who’s Appalachian State? – Michigan didn’t seem to
know much about the team they were supposed to easily beat. At the start of the game most FBS fans didn’t have reason to
be aware of App State, but now that they’ve put
up 34 points at Michigan they have our attention. Hailing from Boone North Carolina the Appalachian State Mountaineers hadn’t been afraid of
taking on D-1 FBS teams. As an FCS school though that usually meant they took a beating, collected
a check and moved on. They had a six 34 and one all time record against major FBS schools and all of the victories came against in state rival Wake Forest. In 2004 App State changed things up when Jerry Moore, then
coaching his 16th season for the Mountaineers
installed a spread offense. The move would pay off a year later when they won the school’s first
ever national championship. They followed that up
with another title in 2006 and in February when Coach Moore and his buddy Lloyd Carr
realized both schools had openings in their
schedules they made the date. Michigan would play host and
App State would get 400 grand. And once Appalachian State was here they weren’t just going
to collect the check. On their first drive of the game Armanti Edwards connected
with Dexter Jackson on this short slant route
for a 68 yard touchdown. – [Announcer] And going
all the way to the end zone the speedster Dexter Jackson! – [Will] They continued to spread it out and turn slants into scores, one for nine yard, another for 20. – [Announcer] Slant, it’s Jackson, he’ll run away from everybody! Touchdown Appalachian State! – Before Edwards ran it
in from six yards out to build an 11 point halftime lead. And while watching your team fall behind to a small school is never much fun, thanks to these two words on the screen a lot of Michigan fans
had to make an effort just to see the game. That’s because this was the first game broadcasted on the brand
new Big Ten Network, which was far from perfect. Despite being announced in June of 2006, when it finally launched over a year later the network wasn’t carried
by all cable providers, specifically Comcast and Charter, two of the main options
in the state of Michigan. So while some of Comcast’s five
million Michigan subscribers cursed the provider leading up to the game and DirecTV used it as
a marketing opportunity, it may have been a
blessing for Wolverine fans to miss this performance. But we’re here and Michigan
has a chance to win it so clearly they got it together. The comeback and partially
why they were down in the first place, was thanks
to the senior Mike Hart. After finishing fifth a
year ago in Heisman voting he was expected to carry
a large load for Michigan, but he couldn’t exactly do that from an exercise bike on the sideline. A few minutes into the second quarter Hart suffered a thigh
injury that forced him out for nearly two quarters. And the Michigan offense could only manage a pair of field goals without him. Hart reentered the game with under five to play in the third and carried the ball 13 times for 131 yards and two scores. That included this 54 yarder
which put Michigan on top and gave him three on the day. – [Announcer] Cuts it back the other way! (audience cheering) Cut to the ten, to the five, touchdown! – The trouble was chasing points can lead to tough decisions. Hart’s second touchdown of the day got Michigan within five so in hopes of being able
to kick a field goal to tie they went for two, which
Henne failed to convert. On Hart’s next score Michigan again passed on the extra point so
an App State field goal would only tie the game. This time Minor was stuffed
on the rushing attempt. Michigan was up by just one
and Sunday morning quarterbacks had something to scream about. The plus side for
Michigan was their defense had stepped up in the second half. I guess until they let
App State get back on top. Michigan’s inexperienced defense had made some adjustments
that paid off greatly. They began playing more cover to to keep their linebackers from getting pulled away from the line of scrimmage and with their size advantage used mainly a four man front to stop the Mountaineer’s running attack. After giving up 28
points in the first half they picked off Edwards
to start the third quarter and only gave up 73 yards on App State’s first eight drives of the half. On their ninth possession though, with under two to play, the
Mountaineers covered 69 yards in seven plays to make it first and goal with 30 seconds left. But with no time outs App State decided to play it
safe and kick the field goal, trusting their defense to not let Michigan drive the length of
the field in 26 seconds with only one time out. Coach Moore’s gamble
didn’t pay off though. After being held to just
two catches for 20 yards, Mario Manningham hauled in
this 46 yard pass from Henne, setting Michigan up for a
37 yard field goal attempt and that’s where we are now. But tonight’s been a bit of a mixed bag for kicker Jason Gingell. Back in the second quarter,
just 23 seconds until halftime, Michigan’s senior kicker took the field. On top of the defensive replacements, the Wolverines were also
missing four year starter and Michigan’s all time
leading scorer Garrett Rivas. Gingell joined the team in 2004 as an undersized linebacker
before moving to kicker where he was only needed
for a single extra point coming in to 2007. After being pegged for field goal duties one week before the game, Michigan’s offense helped
him with the first kick by stalling out at the five, giving him a 22 yard attempt. He would attack on a 42 yarder
at the start of the third and with 1:47 left in the game had the chance to put
the Wolverines up four on this three yard attempt. – [Announcer] Mesko to hold it, Gingell to kick it and that is blocked to the line of scrimmage. – But Michigan’s offense
would give Gingell one more chance to put the game away. And here we are, a small school looking to shock the big house. Michigan’s leaders having to come back with the hopes of a national championship. A senior kicker trying
to move past his attempt from just moments ago and
one play to decide it all. Welcome to a moment in history. – [Announcer] Snap, good hold and the kick is blocked! Appalachian State has stunned
the college football world! One of the greatest
upsets in sports history!


  • Reply Things Are Gonna Get Sporty April 23, 2019 at 8:44 am

    Hell the entire 2007 season deserves a rewind if we’re being honest, so many fun games and upsets that year. One of the random/cool things was seeing Sportscenter actually use a non championship game in their intro that year when they showed the shot of the Rutgers kicker pointing at the camera after beating Louisville.

  • Reply Quadry Johnson April 24, 2019 at 11:54 pm

    This game alone mate me hate Michigan. Lost me $300.

  • Reply keith d May 6, 2019 at 5:49 am

    2015 MSU – MICHIGAN football game rewinder dooo it

  • Reply Ckbruinfan May 6, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    The 2005 champions league final deserves a deep rewind

  • Reply The Narrator May 9, 2019 at 12:28 am

    I was at the game. It was painful

  • Reply Christopher Draheim May 9, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    I didn't even know this game was happening, probably because it was on BTN and we had Comcast. I was staying over a friend's house for the weekend and my dad called me and said, "Michigan just lost to App State." I said, "Who?" Then he explained they were an FCS (or whatever it was called then) school and I thought he was trying to play a trick on me.

    Lord how I wish that was the case..

  • Reply Grayzilla52 PTG May 11, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    I’m a Michigan fan and this one still hurts.☹️

  • Reply Lancaster Responding May 12, 2019 at 11:51 pm

    App State is scary. Why anyone would schedule them is beyond me.

  • Reply Joaquín Gómez May 13, 2019 at 12:31 am

    No it doesnt

    A Michigan fan

  • Reply Marcus Dandaneau May 17, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    Go Green, Go White and our second favorite team, (Appalachian State-Appalachian's Great!).

  • Reply Ishmael Thompson May 23, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    Give Reggie Miller winning time a deep rewind.

  • Reply Lakeside Lakers Fan May 30, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Brady's School got it bad

  • Reply Oldhead Prison Officer May 31, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    How hell is this not a movie yet?

  • Reply aznnp77 June 2, 2019 at 3:12 am

    Ummm vegas doesn't give no line just because it's going to be a blowout. There's 45-50 point spreads all the time. They would only turn the line off in the case of an injury, or because it's such a small school that they don't have enough data to make an educated guess as to how they would perform against tougher competition.

  • Reply Tiger WarEagle14 June 4, 2019 at 11:25 pm

    That moment pretty much destroyed whatever was left of Michigan’s dignity.

  • Reply ztails external June 7, 2019 at 1:05 am

    I didn't talk to anyone. Especially my friends and family who are Michigan State or Ohio State fans for about two months

  • Reply Buckeye4life 440 June 21, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    Michigan is a trash team. Nothing but a has been program. My Buckeyes own their ass and embarrass the hell out of them every single year. Michigan sucks!!!!!!

  • Reply Jimmi Stone June 24, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    Should’ve let him play q.b in the nfl

  • Reply smoothcollected July 5, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    I remember back in the day in a football movie Adam Sandler played in being funny when he described what a tune up game was
    He used a big school scheduling the likes of Appalachian st

  • Reply Kevin Fogarty July 5, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    Every dog has his day. Every dog. That day App State was that dog.

  • Reply Alan C137 July 6, 2019 at 6:44 pm

    That sounds like Tom Hamilton on the play call. He does the Indians games on the radio. I was not aware that he called football games as well.

  • Reply Delilah Puddingstash July 6, 2019 at 11:38 pm

    I felt Michigan fans pain when we LOST at home to TROY…

  • Reply Ian Larson-Shidler July 7, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    This was the definition of a trap game

  • Reply TheAnanaki July 10, 2019 at 3:34 am

    Notre Dame lost to Navy (at home) the same year for the first time in over 50 years. This made it not even matter.

  • Reply MrMusicfan678 July 11, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    The only qualm I have with this video is that you should have used the radio call from Appalachian State.

  • Reply Keith Baka July 14, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    I miss football 😢

  • Reply Joey Dyker July 14, 2019 at 2:03 pm

    the beginning of a decade of decline

  • Reply Noah Renn July 16, 2019 at 1:12 am

    Y’all need to rewind Old Dominion’s win against Virginia tech. You could talk about how new they are as a team. You could talk about early success with Heinicke and his record.

  • Reply utubesgreat7777 July 16, 2019 at 5:23 am

    It's such an incredible memory for me. My dad and I went "okay, sure. Let's go see Michigan play App State."

    The dog pile on the sideline happened right in front of us. Like, RIGHT in front of us. It will forever be ingrained into my memory.

  • Reply Jasper Jones July 16, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    I remember this game. It was on my birthday. I'll never forget this game. Bet Michigan knows App State now! Lol.

  • Reply Tyler Larsen July 17, 2019 at 10:55 am

    This shocked the entire world. And it provided the backdrop for the most chaotic FBS season ever.

  • Reply Schluckebierd July 20, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    Vegas doesn’t do betting odds on FBS FCS match ups. Nothing to do with how much of a blowout they thought it would or wouldn’t be.

  • Reply TrocarSlushWeasel July 21, 2019 at 10:06 am

    The reason there was no line is because, at that time, Vegas didn't put odds on 1-A vs 1-AA matchups.

  • Reply Kelby Edwards July 21, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    Armanti my big cousin 864 represent 😎💪🏾

  • Reply David Pietras July 22, 2019 at 5:49 pm

    This game never gets old! Signed, Irish Catholics of South Bend, IN.

  • Reply Uw0tm8 July 28, 2019 at 9:44 pm

    Look at that angry chase down tackle by Gingelle (34) at the end tho 😂😂 they should have kept him at LB

  • Reply Clean Shaven Doom July 31, 2019 at 3:33 pm


  • Reply Timothy Rosman August 1, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    As an Ohio State fan, i still rock an App State shirt.

  • Reply Simers August 1, 2019 at 11:11 pm

    Sorry but this was poorly made… all I heard was how MIchigan lost the game because of excuses… nothing about how App won the game. App had multiple guys drafted off this team. App had more speed than Michigan.. and it showed all game long.

  • Reply Jeff Jefferson August 3, 2019 at 2:46 am

    See this is why we've been saying go bucks Michigan sucks for years!

  • Reply Charles Surber August 6, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    Michigan has never been the same since

  • Reply Lancer____ Dog August 6, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    This was the Big Ten Networks first game ever. I blame them lol

  • Reply Blaze Dedmon August 8, 2019 at 1:25 am

    finally someone that can actually say Appalachian

  • Reply dead account August 8, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    Still wasn't as bad as what we did. Sure Boise was a much better team. But it was in a bcs bowl in front of a national audience.

  • Reply Ethan Hull August 9, 2019 at 2:50 pm


  • Reply battle ramz August 9, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    Do the Stanford-Cal game of the 1980s, Now that's a rewind I'd like to see. "The band is on the field!"

  • Reply SunSetHours August 12, 2019 at 7:03 am

    What's the soundtrack for the ending kick?

  • Reply Jo Backson August 12, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    2007 was one the wildest seasons in college football history. And the chaos began immediately.

  • Reply Jo Backson August 12, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    Vegas doesn't provide lines on FBS vs. FCS games.

  • Reply TH3 REDN3CKx August 13, 2019 at 5:13 am

    I was at the Ohio State game at the same time this game was going on. As always when they showed updates of their game we would cheer and laugh. Our game ended first and they showed about the last few minutes of the game on the jumbo screen. Just looking around the stadium you’d think the game was still going on. Literally no one left their seats and we all sat and erupted with cheers when that kicked was blocked. I will definitely never forget that moment when we all sang We don’t give a damn for the whole state of Michigan on our way out of the Shoe.

  • Reply Caleb Skinner August 13, 2019 at 6:02 am

    The Ohio State 2014 championship run deserves a rewind I think

  • Reply matt61387 August 13, 2019 at 12:34 pm

    Shawn Crable broke rule one of blocking on the field goal unit on both blocks. Always block inside out god damnit!

  • Reply Wolfe Cane August 17, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    Definitely one of the best upsets of all time you should do a rewinder on Iowa State beating Oklahoma state when OK State was #2 and all they had to do to go to the national title game Was to beat Iowa State and the red shirt freshman quarterback that was also a fantastic upset

  • Reply Darth Pepe August 18, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    As a Ohio State fan, this was a great way for us to open the season after getting stomped by Florida 8 months earlier. I had heard of App State before that game, but I still didn’t expect this game to be close. Turned out to be the best part about the 07 season too aside from us beating Michigan ourselves.

  • Reply Kristin Craig August 18, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    I hate it when they pronounced Appalachian incorrectly

  • Reply Bojo David August 19, 2019 at 1:58 am

    Thankfully my dad has Direct TV and got to see this awesome upset.

  • Reply Jim W August 19, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    You didn't talk about who blocked the field goal attempts or who failed to block the one's who blocked the kicks. FAIL

  • Reply AmericanMetalhead100 August 20, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    This right here is the only accomplishment Michigan has in the age of colored TV. Look at it. Soak. It. In.

  • Reply Dusty Hills August 22, 2019 at 9:56 am

    I'm guessing that line at the end about "first ever video on this game" was sarcasm… also, I was there! Drove 8 hours from Iowa for my second ever game in The Big House. Some of us Michigan fans saw it coming in the first half. I was never convinced we'd win that game after the 1st quarter.

  • Reply aaron kimball August 22, 2019 at 11:51 pm

    I remember this as an 11 year old. I walk into the house to my dad warning me about Michigan blowing this game lol.

  • Reply GWS August 23, 2019 at 4:51 am

    App State is now FBS and after a horrible start they're actually a halfway decent team now.

  • Reply John Hasson August 23, 2019 at 9:15 pm

    Late in a game, when a TD puts a team up by 1, it would be foolish to kick the extra point. At that point in the game, being up by 1 or up by 2 makes no difference. I love all your videos, btw, just thought I'd point that out.

  • Reply The Disco Stu August 24, 2019 at 12:32 am

    Michigan seems to never actually recruit high school kickers of any quality. They recruit undersized linebackers with kicking experience and then turn them into full time kickers.

  • Reply Insane in the Membrane August 25, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    For all my fellow bucks who still enjoy this. O-H

  • Reply ztails external August 25, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    But I dont wanna remember this. You sure it's not just a bad dream?

  • Reply jeffg24LT21 August 25, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    7:51 Lineman totally missed his block…. That's what cost them the game…

  • Reply Douglas Butcher August 26, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    That is THE Appalachian State.

  • Reply MrSuperman2307 August 27, 2019 at 4:32 am

    Go Bucks!

  • Reply Micheal Marshall August 27, 2019 at 2:09 pm

    UM head coach was Rich Rod if I’m not mistaken right?

  • Reply RobD8870 August 28, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    Ohio university was tied 10-10 @ the half with Ohio State back around 2000. OU went on to lose as they shouldve…they wouldve burned Athens, ohio to the ground had they won. However, it wouldve been epic.

  • Reply Brandon Miller August 29, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    I disliked the video not because of the quality but this was my first ever Michigan football game

  • Reply IBoss 2004 August 30, 2019 at 10:11 am

    As a buckeye fan, I can speak for all of my people when I say, “Wow, Michigan blows.”

  • Reply Edward Cook August 30, 2019 at 3:56 pm

    I got a Michigan ad on this before it started lmao

  • Reply T Stan August 30, 2019 at 10:14 pm

    Ann arbors arrogance, i love it, sparty on

  • Reply T Stan August 30, 2019 at 10:17 pm


  • Reply Ryan Yeager September 1, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Michigan vs Appalachian State was just the beginning of the weirdness of the 2007 college football season that was the strangest season in college football history every week it was at least two or three games were and unranked opponent who was not going to finish the 500 record was BT a nationally ranked team was originally supposed to have a spot for the national championship. All three of season teams are really going to win like three or four games or somehow knocking off the top is dogs in college football it was like that all the way through college football season it ended with unranked pit who only had three wins in went up against two number to West Virginia in Milan Busch Gardens Stadium Mountaineers home field and somehow beat them at their own turf. Anybody in Vegas betting a couple hundred bucks on an unranked team to knock off of Big Top Dog probably made of Fortune a year.

  • Reply DeAngelo Stevens September 3, 2019 at 12:10 am

    1-AA Battery School beats 1-A Battery School

  • Reply matt matt September 3, 2019 at 5:28 am

    I loved this I was on vacation watching this game I have never laughed so hard in my life

  • Reply rockzyk September 3, 2019 at 5:50 am

    As a Buckeyes fan, this is one of the most beautiful moments in sports for me. Incredible.

  • Reply Nerdicane September 4, 2019 at 12:18 am

    I remember that season. I was running a sports bar. Michigan and every team in the big 10 was very overrated.

  • Reply J T September 4, 2019 at 10:26 am

    Beginning of the fall of Michigan.

  • Reply Cornell Green September 4, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    Goliath suffered an ass-kicking, too.

  • Reply Golfhammer September 5, 2019 at 4:02 am

    As a Buckeye fan- this never gets old…

  • Reply Big Sky Blue September 6, 2019 at 12:56 am

    App State went on to very nearly beat Penn State in Happy Valley last year

  • Reply Tom McKee September 6, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    As a Wake Forest alum I really appreciate that added factoid about all 6 of their previous wins against FBS teams

  • Reply Leland Joseph September 6, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    How does Carr get so much credit for being so bad? He constantly underachieved and then left the program with an absolute garbage defense.

  • Reply Cdub2k September 7, 2019 at 12:12 am

    Here's some interesting facts about this
    #1 App State were back to back 1-AA champs heading into that game and they went on to win a 3rd straight title later on after beating Michigan.

    #2 Michigan ended this disappointing season by beating Heisman winner Tim Tebow and the Gators in the Capital One Bowl to finish off a 9 win season.

    #3 That Bowl game was Lloyd Carr's last game as Head Coach.

    #4 That loss to Michigan was Tim Tebow's only loss to a non SEC opponent in his entire 4 year career.

  • Reply Obi-Wan Kenobi September 7, 2019 at 4:21 am

    Sad for me, Michigan football fan here

  • Reply Zachary Greenwald September 12, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    First game I ever went to

  • Reply Joshua Birdwell September 15, 2019 at 12:44 am

    This deserves a sequel of sorts in the form of a Collapse episode.

  • Reply Fiona the Gayest Tiefling September 17, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    I was really really hoping that last play picked up from the failed field goal would have been a touchdown

  • Reply 0525loki September 21, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    I lived in Ann Arbor at this time and was bombarded with U of M elitists all day, every day. Since there was no line on this game I told every Michigan fanI knew I would take a 30 point spread on Appalachian St and of course, being Michigan fans everyone took it. I was just hoping Appalachian St kept it close so I could win my bets, I never really thought they would win. I ended up making close to $ 3,000 off this one game and a lot of salty fans who wouldn’t talk to me for months after. I knew Appalachian St ran the spread offense and Michigan struggled stopping teams running it ( see the Oregon Vs Michigan game from years prior). As a college football nut this may have been the greatest upset of this era, hands down.

  • Reply Avery Clark September 21, 2019 at 11:09 pm

    And it happened again! App state takes down another Power 5 team with a blocked punt @UNC!

  • Reply brucestro18 September 25, 2019 at 11:58 pm

    I can only imagine how nuts the “Buckeyes” went when they saw that game!

  • Reply Jon Hagel October 8, 2019 at 7:43 pm

    You could turn this into part of a series on the shift to spread offenses in college. This game, and the following loss to Oregon, helped begin a massive shift to spread-option offenses that gave traditionally smaller schools a chance to compete with the powerhouses. Of course, it helps that Urban Meyer was destroying the SEC with the same scheme at that time.

  • Reply Deandre Dubuche October 8, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    When are you guys gonna do saints vs Vikings 👀👀

  • Reply Pixie MacCarthy October 11, 2019 at 4:13 pm

    One of the best games EVER!

  • Reply Ivan Drago October 14, 2019 at 10:37 am

    @0:55 you stated hadnt beaten Ohio State since their Freshmen year. Your wordage there is confusing, are you saying they hadnt beaten Ohio State or they won as freshmen and lost two straight. This Michigan crew of Hart, Henne, and Long where 0-4 against OSU. I am a Buckeye fan and not a Michigan hater, but Mike Hart was the one and maybe only Michigan player I truly disliked. I watched this guy for four years and every time he had a bad run. He would start stomping and finger pointing to indicate someone missed a block or assignment. Me and my friends actually started referring to this as The Mike Hart act. It appeared he knew they were on national TV and knew the cameras would close up on him so he would frantically start pointing and barking. He did this all the damn time and it really looked petty. I have since learned that Mike Hart is in fact a generous and great guy, but for four years I hated him. I still hate that act to this day when football players stumble and they know damn well the TV cameras are on them and they start gesturing to imply someone else messed up.

  • Reply Elizabeth Pearce October 15, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    And 12 years later, we still play the clips from this game at every home game and this score is still spelled out in the majority of the pregame marching band routines.

  • Reply Brian Johnson October 17, 2019 at 1:07 am

    I was in Iraq when U of M lost to Appalachian State and everyone on Fob Falcon had the same question, "Who is Appalachian State?"

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