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Roger Federer Kick Serve Analysis – BNP Paribas Open 2013

August 20, 2019


Hey! This is Florian Online Tennis Instruction. In today’s video I want to take a close look at Roger Federer’s kick serve which is an excellent kick serve and we want to take a close look at some of the things that he does well and that you may be able to copy. So the first thing I want to take a look at here is Rogers toss he releases the ball at around eye level and we will see that the toss travels right to left. Now the toss does the same thing on his first serve however on the kick serve he tosses a little further to the left. Right here you can see how that toss travels right to left and now let’s take a look at the contact position So contact right here as we can see is in line with the edge of Rogers head, it is further over to the left than it is on his first serve and this allows him to increase the upward angle and create that kick on that serve. However one thing I want to mention is that this is not nearly as far over to the left as a lot of people think! So you really just have to toss a little further to the left for that kick serve and not a lot and in fact if you do toss too far over to the left you’re increasing your chances of injuring your shoulder. Okay let’s take a look at the same thing from the front view. Right here we can see that Roger once again releases the ball at around eye level and now that toss is going to travel right to left and that allows Roger to increase the upward angle and generate more kick on that serve. Now let’s also take a close look at the contact position here from the front angle and once again we see that contact is in line with the edge of Rogers head here just a little further to the left than on his first serve but not as much as most people would think. All right so those were some of the important elements of Rogers incredible kick serve. As we saw Roger releases the ball at around eye level, his toss travels slightly right-to-left which allows him to increase the upward angle and also Roger makes contact a little further to the left than he does on his first serve however not as far to the left as most people would think. If you enjoyed this video I’d like to ask you to click the like button below and also subscribe to my youtube channel if you haven’t done so yet because then you will receive all of the newest videos!

48 Comments

  • Reply Bouaketh Sayarath May 2, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Excellent lesson on kick serve

  • Reply Jerry Werner May 2, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    How far in front of the back line is the ball toss.

  • Reply Cameron Shafie May 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    Great Video, can you please expand on the racquet acceleration( starting point), direction, pronation and  finish.

  • Reply rcphilip hill May 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Nice, clear analysis showing how easy and elegant it is to hit the serve this way.  So, I who knows when I'll ever master it????!!!!!

  • Reply Ravi San Jose May 2, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    01:45

    The ball contacts the strings near the top edge of the racquet. Does the ball then actually brush across and make contact with  more of the strings as compared to a flat serve? i.e., is that what creates the "Click" sound heard on kick serves?

  • Reply antonarap May 3, 2014 at 12:47 am

    So according to the video, if you toss a bit more to the left, you will produce a kick serve. Yeah right…

  • Reply jean huz May 3, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Hello Florian,

    When I use the legs on serve I am less efficient than without it. Do you have a video of you about this please ?
    Thanks for all

    jeff

  • Reply Peter Hubner May 3, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    Many thanks
    V helpful
    Peter Hubner

  • Reply Nik Chow May 4, 2014 at 4:33 am

    As far as your positioning when you land after your kick serve, im guessing you should end up finishing almost on the baseline whereas if you did a normal flat serve, you would end up inside the baseline like more in the court? Because since you are doing a kick serve, you need to focus on jumping vertically as you are making contact with the ball?
    -Nik

  • Reply Mark Davis May 5, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Really like your breakdown of his kick serve.  Could you provide an analysis of the slice serve, especially to the duce court?  I see how some of the top players (right handed) use it to set up an easy winner to the ad court.  And how Rafa uses it to dominate on the ad side.  I'm right handed.  This is also a very effective serve in doubles

  • Reply Bill Flores October 8, 2014 at 12:25 am

    Great video with excellent commentary.  I'd like to know how far into the court Fed's toss is.  I noted that the ball traveled what appeared to be about 1-2 feet over the net which may indicate that he hit the ball well into the court on his toss.  Is this correct?

  • Reply 5901020700 Rerkrit November 5, 2014 at 2:51 am

    What Grip that he use when kick serve?

  • Reply Ian Graham December 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Great on kick serve perhaps stress the need for racket head speed also.
    Ian

  • Reply đam nguyen April 5, 2015 at 9:15 am

    verry good good.thank for all

  • Reply Sja'ko Visser April 14, 2015 at 9:32 am

    Hello Florian,

    Can you also tell what grip he is using for the kickserve?
    Thanks for the nice video!

    Regards,
    Sja'ko Visser
    The Netherlands.

  • Reply john metyk August 2, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    The ball is on left side of his head it only appears above his head because he is arched back and leaning over left if u draw a line from his feet up u will see this . Pros and females have extreme flexibility in torso and shoulder this is why the average person has no chance of hitting a heavy kick like this . Look at Sam Stousor kick serve over head view and u will see it's not as easy as it looks.

  • Reply zelimirvulic August 8, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    I guess small flexing motion in his wrist and elbow are also crucial when his racquet is in  contact with the ball. That is not clearly visible in the video

  • Reply greentea December 30, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    nice observations!

  • Reply Dileep Kumar January 2, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    ohh man his every serve is like magic. I think I'm in heaven.

  • Reply honkeyness February 4, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    Seems you're leaving out a key component – he makes contact before the racquet is fully extended. This is the hard part that I wish you would talk about.

  • Reply HollywoodToronto February 26, 2016 at 11:00 am

    Great explanation as usual Florian. This is why I'm a member on your site and love the OTI Plus sections for getting super good.

  • Reply Dakota Castleberg June 26, 2016 at 12:41 am

    hey florian, great video and explanation! I was wondering if you could look at my slow mo second serve video and let me know why I'm not getting a quality kick serve?

  • Reply matsnotfat July 28, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    "not as far to the left as people think". Yes I only understood that when I realised the point of contact is when the racket is around 45 degrees, so the ball has to be slightly further left than on a flat serve. I found remembering that 45 degree angle meant everything else followed.

  • Reply Mike Bellissimo September 28, 2016 at 1:05 pm

    is the contact point directly above his head, relative to the baseline? a side view would be good?
    I know you said the 1st serve is more right. is it also more on the court? if so how far 6 inches , a foot?

  • Reply Jim Ritter September 28, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    What about the pronation, Florian? Is it the same as a regular serve or is it varied?

  • Reply Jazzcodes September 28, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    That's the best template for a kick serve! Thanks for the analysis Florian. Always great videos and tuitional material!

  • Reply Jan Roskott October 2, 2016 at 3:29 am

    I liked this video but I'm flaggergasted as to why never in this video, you show the actual result of the kick serve!! Constantly, the second the ball bounces, the edit comes in to go back to the actual serve. It is very important I think, to show the effect/end result of that kick serve. The idea is that be ball bounces up and forward with a "kick" but we just don't get to see that! Annoying….

  • Reply greentea November 26, 2016 at 12:58 am

    excellent video & analysis Florian, many thanks!

  • Reply Donny brook February 8, 2017 at 5:28 am

    Some players toss far into the court on their kick serve, Rodger actually tosses closer into his body than a lot of the other ATP player do. Also, this example of Rodger tossing directly over the head is one example but you can see other examples where Rodger is tossing much more to the left so that if the ball were to land it would be over his left shoulder.

  • Reply Phillip d'Amérique February 27, 2017 at 6:37 am

    I keep trying to copy that pronation but I just end up catching the frame half the time……and yes, I'm looking at the ball the whole way through……maybe it's my toss 🙁

  • Reply Connor McLeod June 24, 2017 at 11:13 pm

    Danke Florian, für dieses Video. Würde mich sehr freuen, wenn du auch mal Videos auf Deutsch rausbringen würdest.

  • Reply Bob Berch June 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    How about starting with explaining what a kick serve is? Thats why I came here, they keep mentioning it on the BBC…..

  • Reply Dean Isclean June 29, 2017 at 11:38 pm

    Nice vid but it cut out before you can see the effect of the kick serve like how high it would bounce.

  • Reply Matthew Simas August 10, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    What is the grip he is using?

  • Reply Chad D'Mello September 1, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    How far out should the toss be?

  • Reply steve Penta September 4, 2017 at 10:47 pm

    The video doesn't mention you should use a grip closer to a backhand grip for kick serves. I was also curious if you are in favor of a deep knee bend on both first and second serves. I know in your serve videos you say to use less legs. Thank you. I love your instructional videos.

  • Reply its you November 7, 2017 at 8:01 am

    Did you mean to repeat yourself repeatedly. Let me repeat. You repeat yourself repeatedly in this repetitious video.

  • Reply Gerald Del Valle November 13, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    You lack disclosing the angle of the tennis racquet and what part of the ball the tennis racquet hits, for the kick serve.  The corner tip of the tennis racquet is making contact high at the 10 o'clock of the ball and stroking around to the 3 o'clock of the tennis ball, completing the service stroke.  Very nice video..

  • Reply josé-pierre Fourn February 26, 2018 at 12:28 pm

    it looks so easy to do Amazing Roger come on !

  • Reply srinitaaigaura March 1, 2018 at 8:34 am

    What's really going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7stYc3qWvpo

    The racket needs to be moving up when it makes contact. That allows the strings to catch the ball from below.

  • Reply Tennis Points March 17, 2018 at 9:08 am

    Im making also tennis vids

  • Reply skylaxx May 6, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxDs3eJ4_U&t=379s at 13:29 – massive kick and insane bounce =)

  • Reply Luba Luba June 27, 2018 at 1:08 am

    your angle is not true in other words what your saying is wrong we need to have a shot from behind of baseline to see exactly where the ball is when he is in his stand period.

  • Reply EVP TENNIS CONSULTING CHANNEL August 12, 2018 at 5:32 am

    英語が聴き取れれば良かったぜ。

  • Reply Salty96 August 29, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    Oh you forgot about one thing: He makes contact with the ball a little further to the left than he does with his first serve however not as far to the left as most people would think.

  • Reply Сварожічъ Х'Арійскі September 7, 2018 at 7:35 am

    The 2 very key points are missed in the video! The racquet path! It is completely different from the flat serve. Without correct racquet path you can toss the ball wherever you want, make point of contact however you want but you will not get top spin on the serve! The racquet path goes up and circle around parallel to the base line. In order to do that your body has to stay sidewise during the serve.

  • Reply Don Vitto October 23, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    Nice bro!

  • Reply Caden Doss June 19, 2019 at 1:20 am

    Not detailed enough. You only went over like two steps.?

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