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The Blazers once scored with six players on the floor and the NBA had to allow it | Weird Rules

August 18, 2019


– [Ryan] Something that I
was thinking about recently is it’s a lot tougher to
sneak around certain rules in the NBA than it is in the NFL. – [Seth] Why, just ’cause
there’s so few people? – [Ryan] There’s fewer people, you’re a lot closer to everyone
including the officials. For instance, too many men
on the field in football. You’ve got 22 guys on the field, it’s a little easier, it’s a big field, a little bit easier to kind of sneak on and try and get away with something. With basketball it’s kind of right there. – Yeah, the player to
referee ratio is 10:3 which is pretty favorable for the refs. It’s like having a
teacher with a huge class. If you’re in a little class
you can’t get up quite as much. – So in football if you do
have too many men on the field, there’s a clear penalty and
protocol for what happens if you get a play off illegally, right? – [Seth] Right. – [Ryan] In basketball, you
can’t have six men on the court. You can only have five and if you do end up playing with six
men, you get a technical. But for a long time the rule book didn’t have a provision for what to do if you happen to score with six men. And that actually came up in a game and the referees just had
to let the score stand. And it happened recently. They didn’t change the rule until 2009. – 2009? – Yeah. – ‘Cause, okay usually if
there’s six men on the court, which happens because you do a lot of substitution in basketball, they’ll just kind of give you
a warn, not even a warning, they’ll just be like hey,
you got too many people, someone get off the court. No one actually gets penalized. The refs just help you sort things out. Usually with the help of your opponent pointing out, hey they have
too many people out here and no one wants that. – Yeah, it’s more of a clerical thing. Hey what are you doing? Where are you gonna play? – Yeah, which is nice. The refs don’t have to do
anything to get you in trouble, they just sort that out for
you before the play starts. But I guess you’re talking
about they missed that? – Right, so the way that
the rules were structured for a long time if the
refs just didn’t notice you had six men and you happened to score, you got to keep that score. ‘Cause there was no provision to undo it. And they certainly were
not going to on the spot be like well I guess it doesn’t count! – [Seth] Oh so there was some
incentive to hide players. Because maybe at some point
it did happen intentionally and we still don’t know. – It’s possible. – [Seth] You know, maybe
some team in the 70’s was quietly having a sixth guy hop out from under a trap door in the floor and they were just so good,
the job went perfectly and the authorities never noticed and to this day they’ve
gotten away with it. There’s like some game
that the Sixers won in 1974 and were like, we were
playing with nine dudes the whole time but we
just kept them moving. – [Ryan] Yeah, ,it’s sort
of like a point heist. Like if you’ve got ’em in a
point of people moving around and they don’t notice, you
get away with the points. – Yeah, just kind of bum
rush the court with people and they can never really count you. – Yeah, if you just load
up with seven or eight guys and quick jam it, you got
those points for free baby! – Hell yeah! – And the other team gets a tech, sure but you got two or three points you’re just walking away with. So like I said, this didn’t
come up for a long time. It wasn’t an issue until 2008. It happened in a game when the Celtics were in Portland playing the Trail Blazers. And the Trail Blazers
were inbounding the ball after a time out with 10
seconds left in the first half. – [Seth] Okay. – [Ryan] And for a full seven seconds after they inbound the ball,
the referees do not notice that there are six
Trail Blazers on the court instead of five. You know who does notice is Kevin Garnett and the rest of the
Celtics who are spending that whole possession trying to defend but also trying to get
the referees attention and say hey there are six
guys here, what is going on? But before anyone could actually do that, Travis Outlaw scores a layup and the referees are getting
screamed at by Kevin Garnett and they have to just
be like we didn’t see it and the score has to stand. – (chuckling) I love that of all people to be on the losing end of this, it’s Garnett and the
Celtics ’cause it’s this super fine-tuned, aggressive defense. You have the most volcanic
possible player in Kevin Garnett dealing with this impropriety. (chuckling) The Blazers too. Someone’s like wow, I’m
much more open than usual. I know we called a play but
it’s not this good of a set that I’m just completely alone. You said this is out of a time out? – Right. – And so Bayless, I guess
is the sixth person. I guess what Nate McMillan must have done, he drew up a play for five people and it’s a nice little set you can tell, and he just forgot that
someone has to both inbound the ball and then
participate in a play? – Right. – It could be that or it
could be that Jerryd Bayless who I think was a rookie this year, just kind of like wandered
out there not really sure and he was, you know he didn’t really have the authority to ask anyone without feeling like it was awkward. So he decided, I might as well just play. – [Ryan] His body language is like, I’m pretty sure I f’ed up,
(Seth laughing) but I don’t know how or why. – [Seth] It’s funny that
you can’t see his face, but he still has kind
of like a sheepish back. – [Ryan] He doesn’t move. (laughing) His sheepish back. – You can tell he’s done something wrong. And Nate McMillan too! His face is the face of a man who’s like, “Aw man I just messed up on television. I need to act like that
was somehow not my fault.” – So we’ve seen on this show before there are a lot of scenarios where in the off season a
league will tweak a rule to keep something like
this from happening again. And then there are some scenarios where they will immediately be like, we have to change this now
before the end of the season. This is for sure one of those. This happened on December
30, 2008 by March of ’09 there was a new rule on the books that ironed out all of this shit so that it doesn’t happen again. I think it’s Rule 12A Section 3 in technical fouls and stiff like that? Basically what happens is
when the referees notice that there’s an extra man on the floor, the opposing team can
either accept the penalty and erase it or just not acknowledge it and the game kind of continues. – So if things went, but you
know if the sixth man worked, and that advantage was actually exploited then you can basically retcon, you can undo that timeline
and rewrite history where things were fair. – Yeah – That makes sense. – It’s one of the few times in an NBA game you can actually reverse
the clock a little bit and go back in time.
– Yeah, start over. I guess that’s really the
only way to deal with that. One other way would be like, all right you guys can have six guys for the next 30 seconds or whatever. – [Ryan] I think that’s an amazing idea. I think what that would lead to is just constantly stacking extra guys until you end up with a
football basketball game. – [Seth] Yeah, 12 on 12 NBA basketball. – [Ryan] Sure. – [Seth] Just like a
floor teeming with people. Throbbing massive human flesh. That’s what basketball
has always needed to be. – Sure, there’s not nearly
enough guys on the floor. I think set it up like football. (laughing) Have a line of scrimmage, have 11 guys facing 11 guys, and each play is like a
segmented piece of time. The clock stops and you get to reset. I think it would be great! – You hike the basketball,
the Celtics would love that! Rondo and Garnett used to do that at the beginning of every game, perfect. – It would be perfect. – But still only three
refs so that they are completely underwater and
have absolutely no authority over the game because there
are 24 players all around. – Right and way more room for sneakiness. Which would be perfect. – Which is what we’re going for. – Exactly.

100 Comments

  • Reply THELETTERPRODUCTION May 31, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    The guy in the gray says the most unnecessary things 💀

  • Reply dthetrapper May 31, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    “throbbing mass of human flesh” uhhhhhh pause

  • Reply Sach S May 31, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    I love this show. Look forward to each one

  • Reply Katherine Madden May 31, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    I once played a team and my team was up by like 40 and they had six players at one point and… Still didn't score 😳

  • Reply David Field May 31, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    10 minutes penalty in NHL

  • Reply D Roam May 31, 2019 at 5:13 pm

    Here's an idea for a Weird Rules episode: the "Underarm bowling incident of 1981", in which the sport of Cricket learned that it is, in fact, NOT sportsmanlike for the bowler (pitcher) to literally bowl the ball across the ground so the batter can't get a good hit on it — especially during a World Cup final. A rule to that effect was created as a direct result of the game. Not exactly a popular sport here in America, but still interesting…

  • Reply Nicolas Martinez May 31, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    As a Spurs fan I can say that the Spurs have done this multiple times with varying degrees of success.

  • Reply Brian Wolfskill May 31, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    The Spurs tried this in a playoff game against the Mavs in 2014, but didn't score, so the Mavs "declined" the penalty

  • Reply Portland Trail Blazers May 31, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    🤷‍♂️lol

  • Reply Aiden Kennedy May 31, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    – 2007-08 season
    – NBA finals
    – Puts all 14 men on the court
    – No one can do anything
    – you win in a blow out

  • Reply Mottly May 31, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Collapse of the Detroit tigers

  • Reply Vabajada May 31, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    do the worst nfl mvp

  • Reply Palace Of Wisdom May 31, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    If you like basketball when it resembles football, go back and watch 90's games between the Pacers and Knicks, or Pistons/Celtics from the late 80's.

  • Reply ShinTzaddi May 31, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    "…a throbbing mass of human flesh"???

  • Reply Ibrahim May 31, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    plz do kawhis shot for a rewinder

  • Reply JCParrish137 June 1, 2019 at 2:58 am

    Do another video on collapse on the Arizona Cardinals

  • Reply Ralph Javier June 1, 2019 at 5:06 am

    You guys just created a new sport.

  • Reply drizzyge June 1, 2019 at 5:08 am

    Good video disagree with the too many players on the field in the nfl getting by with it. Pretty damn good on picking up on it watch any game with Aaron rodgers

  • Reply Monitors of Decorum & Decency June 1, 2019 at 5:49 am

    I have a hard time thinking that Mr. Sonic could have called a play for six players, on purpose… I do think it's funny that Nate is the guy coaching, when this happened.

    When will the NBA give Seattle a God damned team? It's been over a decade, for f**ks sake…

  • Reply Jeffrey S. Green June 1, 2019 at 5:55 am

    I remember everything about this play. The word out of the locker room was Oden was subbed out, but forgot, and walked back out onto the court after the timeout.

  • Reply Trevor Sanders June 1, 2019 at 9:35 am

    Do an episode on how you can score 1 in the nfl on a PAT Safety

  • Reply Dante Mouchart June 1, 2019 at 10:24 am

    footage?😅

  • Reply Paul Calixte June 1, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    You guys HAVE to do a Weird Rules on the most prominent one of them all: the away-goals rule in soccer. I like it and even I have to admit it's strange that one team's points end up being worth more than another's based simply on where they happened.

  • Reply Paul Calixte June 1, 2019 at 5:05 pm

    Also, we need a Weird Rules on the tiebreakers in the World Baseball Classic that led to that epic Canada/Mexico brawl in 2013.

  • Reply Kevin Miller June 1, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    When Marcus Mariota caught his own pass, how was that stat recorded? A passing, and receiving touchdown?

  • Reply Choy Del Rosario June 2, 2019 at 12:39 am

    @SB Nation, can you guys do a rewind about vince carter dunking over that 7'1 dude at the olympics?

  • Reply Andrew Brady June 2, 2019 at 5:47 am

    I was at this game! 😂😂

  • Reply Andrew Gay June 2, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    Absolutely no soul on the planet:

    Seth: THROBBING MASS OF HUMAN FLESH

  • Reply Nathan Moore June 3, 2019 at 1:00 am

    Peenalized

  • Reply Brandon Clarke June 3, 2019 at 2:12 am

    Calm down on the burgers bro

  • Reply Ricky Garcia June 3, 2019 at 5:53 am

    Is Seth related to Ken Rosenthal? 🤔

  • Reply CharethCutestory June 3, 2019 at 10:53 am

    The dude on the right could impersonate Bill Simmons

  • Reply The Canadian Wizard June 3, 2019 at 2:36 pm

    You should do when the sharks were playing the kings, and ryan Smyth scored but the refs didn't notice and the play continued then on the other side of the ice, Torrey Mitchell scored but it was disallowed because of Smyth's goal.

  • Reply jack pipkins June 3, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    They should do more hockey vids

  • Reply Black Tim Howard June 3, 2019 at 9:47 pm

    Sometimes your content is good but I hate these fake little 'we're just chatting' conversations that serve as intros. Like we're supposed to think we just walked in on two nerds (said with love) talking about this with HYPER SPECIFIC EXAMPLES AND RULEBOOK SITINGS. Just be what you are

  • Reply Joshua Howard June 3, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    That’s crazy 😷😷😂😂

  • Reply Owen Mulvey June 4, 2019 at 11:00 am

    The Gilbert arenas rule

  • Reply TheXev June 4, 2019 at 11:41 am

    2:18 This is literally the plot of Kuroko no Basket (Kuroko's Basketball, anime/manga series)… except with the 5th player popping out of nowhere. lol

  • Reply Er1k 1506H June 4, 2019 at 1:32 pm

    Another weird rule:
    (sorry for my bad english first :D)

    There is the fifa world ranking system, which has been used in order to rank national football teams by strength and then putting them into four different pots in the 2018 World Cup draw.

    This ranking takes each nations X (not sure about the exact number) last games (friendlies, qualifiers…) in consideration and gives them points, based on whether they won or lost, who there opponent was and how important the game was (friendlies < qualifiers).

    Therefore the polish team decided not to participate in friendlies that often and if they did, having a fourth substitution (illegal) during the game, if they were about to lose. This didn’t even matter for any kind of competition as it was a friendly but it made the game irrelevant for the fifa ranking as the result had to be annulled.

    By that strategic Poland managed to sneak into the pot of the 8 best teams, so that they had rather bad opponents in their 2018 World Cup group.

  • Reply stigoftdump June 4, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    This is a great series and I barely follow US sports at all (british "soccer" fan here). There seems to many more weird loopholes in football and basketball compared to soccer. Is it just because the ruleset in soccer is smaller? Or maybe its because in soccer, the ref has a great deal of leeway to make decisions; there's a lot of "in the opinion of the referee" in the Laws. But like I say, I don't know too much about these sports in particular, so maybe I'm talking nonsense.

  • Reply Aaron Eamer June 4, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    There is a way that a player can remain in the game despite fouling out, just that every foul past his 6th counts as a technical and results in free throws. Worth an episode. Think it happened to Drummond a few years back? I may be wrong on that last bit though.

  • Reply glenn wakuwaku June 4, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    Why 2 gays discussing bball?

  • Reply Benoh June 5, 2019 at 4:46 am

    who else thinks NBA refs are horrible now

  • Reply victor lee June 5, 2019 at 6:50 am

    So boring too much talking and not getting to the point

  • Reply Voroxreviews June 5, 2019 at 1:52 pm

    In australian rules, you are only allowed to have 18 on the field per team at any one time. the rule they have in place is actually to halt the game, and call for a player count, if one team has too many players, their WHOLE score for the match until the point of infringement will be deducted, and their score reset to 0, no matter what point in the game

  • Reply Teddy Butter June 5, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Just… all of the NHL emergency goalie stuff. Like why you can’t put one in unless everyone else is hurt

  • Reply hoot plays June 5, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    401 baybeeeeeeeeee

  • Reply Austin Lehman June 5, 2019 at 10:08 pm

    If a team breaks this rule they should then be forced to play the next 30 seconds with only 4 guys. Kind of like a penalty box in hockey

  • Reply alfjgist June 5, 2019 at 10:47 pm

    Do a video about why you can’t blow on a baseball. Give Lenny Randle 15 more minutes of fame

  • Reply Brian Walsh June 6, 2019 at 4:46 am

    Neither person Jon Bois

    That mean bad

  • Reply Jon Sobaski June 6, 2019 at 5:10 am

    Cringy

  • Reply Bangar Pandjaitan June 6, 2019 at 7:12 am

    Too much talking goin on. Should have been a 3 minute max video.

  • Reply Jay Bingham June 6, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Totally would have been great if the play resulted in an "And one"…especially with a 3. Now the refs have to sit through all that extra awkwardness as someone goes to free throw line to complete a four-point swing.

  • Reply MrReading June 6, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    Have you guys done "The Underarm Incident" of 1981 yet?

  • Reply Emosadboy June 7, 2019 at 1:16 am

    YouTube doing yall dirty. I've been looking for this video for days. I typed in almost the exact title and I still couldn't find it. I'm so lucky it randomly popped up

  • Reply Aiden Harow June 7, 2019 at 3:20 am

    What would happen if someone bounced the ball into the hoop?

  • Reply Jake Kenslow June 7, 2019 at 3:35 am

    are you the news reporter from that shitty vox video that has dislikes hidden for a reason

  • Reply StormSurge9080 June 7, 2019 at 6:54 am

    He took "sixth-man" to a whole other level.

  • Reply J D June 7, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    This could have been a 2 minute video

  • Reply AK- 47 June 7, 2019 at 3:22 pm

    Ryan: It's alot tougher to sneek around some certain rules in the NBA
    Golden State Warriors: Pathetic

  • Reply BROWN22 SUGAR June 7, 2019 at 3:24 pm

    “Throbbing mass of human flesh”

  • Reply James Cook June 7, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    In Basketball there is no vision requirement for referees lol

  • Reply Michael Rexrode June 8, 2019 at 8:44 am

    I’d love to like this but y’all really gonna show the highlight on my grandma’s Tv?

  • Reply peaceandllov June 8, 2019 at 11:39 am

    It’s like watching paint dry

  • Reply John Carranza June 8, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    Just subscribed, big fan of this channel
    So in a world cup soccer match, Luis Suarez intentionally batted the ball with his hands, and the result was winning the game.
    Just him in general, also he bit a few opponents. Now I'm a fan of him and his country when they play(in fact he is my favorite soccer player) but I'm sure he has made rules off of his antics. If possible, it would be great to do a video on him and his controversial antics that made his name, especially the handball that got his team to win. Best support to the channel!

  • Reply Cameron Padron June 9, 2019 at 2:00 am

    Let's just add a power play while we're at it.

  • Reply King Trash Can June 9, 2019 at 3:51 am

    This is literally the same thing as buzzfeed

  • Reply Jeffry De Leon June 9, 2019 at 5:25 am

    2019 and still clamoring for Jon Bois.

  • Reply egg June 9, 2019 at 6:52 am

    peen alized

  • Reply Paul Rios June 9, 2019 at 10:22 am

    I think the spurs did this once but no one noticed bc it was only one play

  • Reply Theron Green June 10, 2019 at 1:10 am

    “It happened recently”, they didn’t change the rule until 10 years ago…

  • Reply babYtakai June 10, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Refs wont notice kuroko

  • Reply David Pierce June 10, 2019 at 4:15 am

    Right at the top of the video they mention that the "player to referee ratio" makes a difference, but 10-3 (basketball) and 22-7 (football) are basically the same ratio…

  • Reply Unk Nown June 10, 2019 at 8:51 am

    I had to skip because of this nonsense talking.

  • Reply Ayesp June 10, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    1:29 peen alized

  • Reply LaMaxwell Ball June 10, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    can we get some not so goony dudes in here

  • Reply lol lola June 10, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    SB nation is so bad at making these videos…but they’re the only ones who make them so I gotta watch 😂

  • Reply josh bednarz June 10, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    peenalized

  • Reply DropDeadJonny June 10, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    1:29 pEEnalized

  • Reply Josh Litz June 10, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    peenalized

  • Reply Arnoldinho29 June 12, 2019 at 4:45 am

    The team deserve a tech for that

  • Reply Dennis Schröder June 14, 2019 at 5:08 am

    This happened with me and my local AAU team I wasnt supposed to be on, and then scored as the 6th man

  • Reply Mike August June 15, 2019 at 11:54 am

    Of course it would be the Jailblazers

  • Reply Ralphie Espinosa June 15, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    What about when a pro hockey team had all their goalies injured and a fan had to play goalie for two straight games

  • Reply Alex June 15, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Interesting story behind a rule in cricket (not a common topic on this channel) where Steven Finn kept hitting the stumps and forced a rule change because it rarely happened before him!

  • Reply Lookingupward92 June 24, 2019 at 5:52 pm

    If you want to waste 7 minutes of your life, watch this video.

  • Reply Ulquiorra Cifer June 28, 2019 at 4:26 am

    Does anyone else think this is how Seirin won the Winter Cup? They had six players on the court the entire time because no one noticed Kuroko

  • Reply Pickle Nik July 1, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    Well in the NBA finals the warriors scored a field goal with six men, and none of the refs noticed, and they kept the score, sooooo, they never really changed the rule

  • Reply Grant Pusey July 1, 2019 at 9:06 pm

    of course it was jerryd bayless

  • Reply Prism July 2, 2019 at 9:18 am

    Just watched the footage, it was Greg Oden who was supposed to be out

  • Reply Selfish Stockton July 6, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    I love that the player who scored was named OUTLAW #pointheist

  • Reply CoolNameGuy July 7, 2019 at 5:56 am

    Kuroko

  • Reply Ali Raza Jafree July 8, 2019 at 1:23 pm

    this guy is so knowledgable about tons of sports

  • Reply JawaPunter July 13, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    Should be like hockey

  • Reply Portland trail blazers July 16, 2019 at 2:46 am

    Heeheehee

  • Reply kingofmacao69 July 17, 2019 at 9:09 am

    Make one about Kevin Garnet Floor Slap !

  • Reply Salar Khan July 23, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    Wish you'd show the clips more and talk a little less about it.

  • Reply Ryan Reed August 1, 2019 at 9:49 am

    September 20: They can't get us all

  • Reply trichome333 August 9, 2019 at 6:20 am

    Stop saying like so much in sports videos.

  • Reply Devin August 12, 2019 at 2:32 am

    1:29 PEENALIZED

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